| Subject: | RE: re Ibn Khaldun |
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| Date: | Wed, 18 Aug 2010 05:25:16 -0700 |
| From: | Jas Jain |
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 11:46:01 +0200
From: John
To: jas_jain@x
You may be interested in peter Turchin… he also likes Ibn Khaldun
This [attached table (missing)] is from his book secular cycles
Thanks, John. Good summary table, including a row on role of usury in the cycle. The Usurers have managed to take complete control of the econo-political system. Solution to all the economic problems seems to be Pushing more Debt! Bad Debt is pushed on to the taxpayers. Crook Bill Gross wants to do that and make lot of money in the process. These criminals should be in jail. Bill Gates became rich by Scam Options fraud and he should be in jail too. The taxpayers’ guarantee of the CP market bailed out Warren Buffett. Crooks are able to keep their wealth despite being bailed out. They are not a philanthropes, but rather misanthropes.
My e-friend Peter Eliades strongly disagrees with my equating Ibn Khaldun to great Socrates. These two were very different personalities with insights into the working of the human institutions and it was a mistake on my part to compare the two. I am a big Greco-phile (Ancient Greece) when it comes to thinkers, but I do have my prejudices. For example, I am a big fan of Aristotle and even some sophists, e.g., Protagoras and Calicles, but not a big fan of Plato. Plato’s philosophy of idealism served the Church Fathers far better than other Greek philosophers and that may be one reason why Plato is held so high (no denying his intellect, considered among the highest in history, and genius). I just think that Plato is not in tune with the human nature as are Aristotle, Ibn Khaldun and many other Greek thinkers when it comes to form of human institutions. I also remind myself that we know lot more about the Ancient Greek thinkers and not much about thinkers from other great civilizations of the past.
Jas
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